
My old and reliable Iriver H300 recently decided to pack it up and quit being so reliable, and so I was forced replace her with a newer sexier device. While searching for a replacement I decided one thing that I really wanted was to have the reliability of a solid state drive. (Although to defend her honor, my H300's drive is not what led to her demise, rather her inability to hold a charge... most relationships end this way though, sooner or later one of you just loses that magical spark.) As none of the models in my price range seemed to meet my particular criteria I decided to see about modding an existing model to better fit my needs. I, as always, put excellent sound quality as a paramount feature for a portable audio player, and so that left most Ipods out in the cold. I thought it would be nice to have integrated wireless, a large screen to watch videos on, and decent battery life (sorry Archos). So that left only one logical choice... a Zune!
Now there is no way I was going to pay $300 dollars for a MP3 player. You can get a netbook or an older laptop for that kind of money, and that to me is ridiculous. There is also no way that I could go back to anything less than 30Gb, (Which is what my previous H300 had) and well there was no way I was going to pay good money for a lumpy brown Zune. (Whoever it was in Microsoft's marketing department that greenlighted the decision to make a brown Zune should be forced to go door to door selling them, till the last one is sold. I think it would become a, quite fitting, life's work, only worthy of such an inept public perception harming decision.) So that meant I was looking for a 2nd gen 80Gb Zune in black as a base. (Because my homies agree, I really look good in black... fool.)
I knew to get the price point I wanted I would need to find a Zune that had "issues" and rehabilitate it, so it could return to normal life among the other Zunes in the "social". Since I knew I was going to replace the Zune's original drive, I simply searched around for a seller that was getting rid of a black 80Gb Zune, that was displaying error code 5 on boot. (Error 5 is Microsoft's way of telling you that your hard drive's cheese had slid off its respective cracker.)
It didn't take me long to find a pristine example, with a seller looking to part with a well cared for model for a measly $50. They even threw in a USB cable and the original box. (I really was hoping for the headphones too, but alas they had died a while back, and so I continue to rock my venerable V-Moda Vibes. You can always use an extra pair of decent sounding headphones though.)
So one Zune with error 5 issue... check. Now all we need is a decently priced 1.8" solid state hard drive to cannibalize for this project. It has to be EIDE/PATA, it has to use a zif connector, it has to fit in a space designed for a 5mm single platter drive, and it has to be inexpensive. (Hey this projects appeal is all about budget baby.) Well that seriously limits my options. Most current solid state drives are 2.5" or larger, have a SATA connector, and are really expensive. Luckily a few of last generations drives did become popular enough that they can be had for a relative song if you know what to look for.
What I eventually settled on was a refurbished Sandisk SDU5B032G102501. A model that was pretty much used exclusively by Dell in some of their previous generation high mobility Latitude notebooks. TechForLess_Outlet has them for around $75 on ebay, and although they are listed as 8mm drives, and certainly not the fastest in the world, they will work perfectly well for my purposes. (For the record I have no affiliation with techforless, I just thought their price on that drive was decent.)
So now we have a drive and a Zune, what do you think comes next? (Three points for the guy in the back of the room that shouted out, "Will it blend?") Well for starters a little bit of comparison.
Here is the original Zune drive (left) next to our replacement drive (right)

Now as you no doubt noticed, there is quite a bit of difference between the two drives in the way of thickness. (Our solid state drive is a little bit on the husky side.) So to rectify this issue, and get our new sexy drive, to fit in our new sexy Zune, we are going to have to do a little bit of hardware liposuction. To accomplish this we are going to remove all that clunky casing that was supposed to keep our drive firmly in place in its Latitude home. (In looking at the the casing I can surmise one of two possibilities for its overly "robust" design: either Sandisk already had that casing stamped, and wanted to save costs by recycling it, or the thickness is to help provide it with better stability while it is sitting in the Latitude's drive bay, which was originally designed for 8mm dual platter drives. Perhaps it is one of those, a little from column A, a little from column B, things. America you decide.)
To transform this SSD fat to a SSD lite, all you need is a precision phillips head screw driver, and a blatant disregard for warranty literature. (The last two screws are hidden under the label at the back of the casing.) Once removed you will find that your solid state drive consists of a 32Gb memory module, a zif loving memory controller, and a plastic wafer that is the glue that holds this relationship together.
The controller (left) and memory (right) modules are pictured here together

So now that our SSD is fat free, simply stick everything back together, including the plastic wafer, and add some electrical tape to keep the your connections intact. Once that is completed you will see that there really is not that much of a difference in overall size, and in fact your new SSD actually is much more svelte in most of its physical dimensions, not to mention lighter. You are of course forgoing the protection that your stock drive offered you, but given that you already have the Zune's battle tested casing to protect your precious SSD cargo, I don't really think all of that extra metal was really necessary anyways.
From the side, from the side

Taking it from the top

Topless

How God intended for her to be

All together now

So now that our drive is compatible with our drive bay, all that is left to do is crack open that Zune and "git'er done". For anyone that does not know how to get their Zune into very little pieces already, Rapid Repair has a wonderful guide that gets into all the gory details. All you really need to accomplish this is a T4 torx bit driver, and a couple of decent precision flat head screwdrivers. (I highly recommend you use these instead of a razor blade. Without going into to details, lets just say the casing is surprisingly prone to chipping when using a razor blade.) Even the notoriously finnicky zif connectors seem to match up well, and their does not seem to be any play in the data connection. (This is a trend that is sometimes exhibited when going from Toshiba made storage hardware to similarly designed drives made by Samsung.)
Total: Once your drive and your Zune are one, start her up. Wait till you get the error screen saying connect your Zune to a pc, update the drive to the newest firmware, (or if you are one of those hacker types, the firmware of your choosing) and you are done. For the sake of any accountants that might be in the room: $49.99 for the Zune + $4 to ship the Zune + $75.58 for the drive = a grand total of $129.57. Leaving me a whole 43 cents to spend on accessories. I am sure I can find something in that price range of Hong Kong origin on eBay. (And before I get flamed like the Hindenburg for a misleading title: I said a 32Gb Zune for under $130, not a Zune HD, but sorry if I got your hopes up.)
Performance: I am still evaluating performance as we speak, but early indicators seem to be that overall performance stays the same. Battery life does not seem to be diminished or greatly enhanced, and the only discernible difference in actual usage is that you no longer have to wait for the drive to spin up. (I always hated that feeling. When you feel that faint vibration as the drive wakes itself. It always reminded me that there was that mechanical component at work that might randomly decide to die one day.) If you are someone that does have the drive constantly actively seeking content for some reason, I could see the potential for increased battery life, but that is the only area really. As far as going through the menus it does seem slightly faster, especially when loading album art, but this could just be my perception, and it not at all based in scientifically measured figures. I do worry slightly about wear leveling, but I am going to assume that in this sort of application it will not be a huge deal. As I get more facts and perform more tests, I will update this section accordingly.
So why would you do all of this instead of just buying a Zune HD? Simple, it costs less than half as much as a 32Gb Zune HD, you have access to most of the same services, and battery life is almost exactly the same when playing audio. Sure you get 480i instead of 720p HD output, and yes tegra is one sexy beast, but Microsoft does not seem keen on opening up the Zune for outside developers: meaning that their is only going to be a limited number of games and apps coming out for the Zune, at least in the near term. (There is some conjecture as to what HD format the Zune actually outputs, read the comments below for more information.) Look, I think the Zune HD is great, and yes if they were giving them away, or selling them for around a Franklin, sure I would take one, but as a straight audio player it is not really any better than the second generation Zune. Bottom line, for me, I will save the $170, take my girlfriend out to a movie, (love you Ginger) and enjoy the geek street cred that goes along with my modded out Zune.
-Andrew N. Price
The End

Comments
Yeah I think that should work. Now I can't say definitely, as I have no experience with the first generation Zunes, but my understanding is that they used as Toshiba MK3008GAL, or some equivalent thereof. Assuming that information is correct, then it should work fine. The only possible potential issue is the drive height.
(Disclaimer: I know that the 1st generation Zunes can take a 8mm dual platter drive, but to accomplish that feat I think you have to remove the hard drive cage. So I am 99% sure that the 1st gen Zunes had a 5mm drive, which means it will fit. I just don't want to say that for certain, and then not have that be the case. Since I have never worked with that generation of Zune I can only go off what I have read online, which, on occasion, can be wrong.)
question:
Would it be possible to use a 30gb zune harddrive and put it in a 80gb zune shell??
If so, would the zune run as the v2 or 30 gig zune??
Yeah that should not be a problem as long as the broken screen is the only issue with the second Zune. Now there is the possibility that whatever physical trauma caused the screen to break might possibly negatively impact the drive and its long term reliability, but that is always kind of a risk when it comes to used mechanical drives. (I am assuming you are considering buying, or have bought, a Zune with a broken screen to cannibalize for its hard drive.)
question.
cant you just take a broken zune80 with error 5 and another zune80 with, lets say a broken screen, and put the good hard drive into the good zune??
Unfortunately I don't think that drive would work in this application. It does not say for certain (but I imagine that given it has an ESATA port it is fairly sure) but the drive in that casing is more than likely a SATA drive, and the Zune only supports EIDE/PATA drives. To be honest I am not certain that there were any 1.8" PATA SSDs manufactured in capacities above 32Gb, and if there were they more than likely are very expensive.
The only possible hope I can see for using a larger drive is possibly finding another Sandisk drive that uses the same type of memory module, and possibly combining that with the memory controller bundled with the SDU5B032G102501. That might have a posibility of working, as long as the memory controller's firmware is not module specific. I have thought about looking for a newer Sandisk drive and trying this sometime, but right now I think that is cost prohibitive. (And really I am fine with 32Gb, since it is fairly easy for me to move things off and on quickly. I can certainly see the appeal in a 120Gb unit, as my music collection currently inhabits a 75Gb chunk of my desktops raid array, but I can live with 32Gb till prices fall enough to make this kind of experiment possible.)
Okay, assuming you go by this guide, and it works, maybe that is not so overpriced relative to the rest of the market. 49.99 for the Zune + $4 shipping + 379.99 for the 128Gb drive = $433.98 for a 128Gb solid state MP3 player. Compare that to Best Buy's "sale" price on a 64Gb iPod touch at $379.99 plus sales tax. Here we pay 6% so that comes out around $403. So basically you pay $30 for double the drive size, and lose out on the gaming and apps.
To put it in a hard drive economist's terms, with Apple you are paying $6.29/Gb (including sales tax) and with the approach we are talking about, you pay about 46% less $3.39/Gb. I realize part of the iPod touches main appeal is that it is more or less an applications and game platform, (hence the great and all knowing Steve Jobs is marketing it as a gaming device) but if you are purely wanting to watch videos and listen to music, you can always trade one feature for the other.
(In case anyone was wondering, the 32Gb and 16Gb ZuneHD's clock in at $9.61/Gb and $14.57/Gb respectively, including sales tax. Once again showing that in matters of family sized mayonnaise and NAND memory: it always pays to buy in bulk.)
Hi guys,
If I would want to do a mod like this, I'd want to improve my storage capacity from 80 Gb up..
Would this be an option?
http://www2.computeruniverse.net/products/e90309673/d2/specifications/transcend-ssd-128gb.asp
Is such a drive (taken out of its casing) an alternative to the one mentioned above, or would there emerge new difficulties?
thanks a lot!
DOH! Apparently I need to do more proofreading in the future, or maybe I need to quit writing these things when I am exhausted. Regardless, thanks for catching that for me.
I do think I remember reading somewhere about that issue with CF cards and Zunes. I could not remember where, or if the person in question was eventually able to resolve the issue, but I thought I had heard there were problems with modding a Zune in that manner. I wouldn't think that it would act any differently on a Zune 80/120, as they both essentially use the same core ARM1136JF-S setup, but who knows. Freescale seems to have done some funky stuff with that i.MX31 configuration they were peddling, so it is possible they did something to the data controller that causes it not to work. (Obviously it would not be the first time Freescales modifications have caused issues.)
What makes it more interesting is the fact that some of the i.MX31 rapid development kits support compact flash, so obviously they have some level of support built into the chipset.
Out of curiosity, when you tried that modification, did you have to remove the Zune's hard drive carrier, or did it fit snugly in the allotted space? (I know the 30gb models of the Zune had a little more play with the inner dimensions, and it was possible to fit an 8mm drive into the designated space with the cage in absentia: a feat that is not possible on the newer models... at least without having the lower portion of the casing cracked open slightly.)
Anyways, thanks for the info. I don't really pay too much attention to Ipod mods, so it is good to have someone that knows what there talking about there to correct me when I overreach on something.
Actually, I haven't used my Zune 80 and the dock on my TV for awhile now, but I do seem to recall it being 480i. I only brought it up because your post said "420p", instead of "480i" or "480p". ;)
I've also done the CF card adapter on a fourth-gen, non-photo iPod. iTunes had no problems recognizing the device and loading the firmware. After this was successful, I had contacted Tarkan Adams (http://www.tarkan.info/20070804/tutorials/modding/ipod-video-compact-flash-mod/2) regarding about doing this same type of mod on a Zune 30 I also had. His adapter fit fine in the Zune but it seemed that the firmware wouldn't load. I know he was in the process of trying out different CF cards but I have no confirmation that it works on any HDD-based Zune yet. This was about a year ago.
Thanks for the info, although I am kind of confused as to what the Zune actually outputs. Buy.com, Walmart, Dell, and AnythingButIpod state that the Zune 80Gb (and I assume the 120Gb model as well) has the ability to output at 480p, but Microsoft's site says 480i. Do you happen to know this fact from personal experience, or is it just something you read online? (I can test it later, and see what my television detects the signal as.)
I will write the guys at AnythingButIpod to see if they know anything about why this confusion exists. It may have been a last second performance related product change that none of the retailers listed decided to follow up on. (I am assuming they originally received their initial marketing material from Microsoft directly, as their wordage does not really vary any.)
Regardless, until I know for sure, I will change that line to read 480i. Once again thanks for the correction, and let me know if you have some personal experience with this. (I hate propagating false information.)
Correction: The Zune 80 (and 120) can only output "DVD-quality" 480i video and only when using the V2 dock and component video connection.
Yeah I suppose you could use a compact flash card, but you would have to be fairly careful about price, the dimensions of the completed package, location of the zif connector, and the overall integrity of that connection over time. Compact flash cards are 3.3mm thick, so as long as the breadboard and the CF receiver assembly did not combine to add more than 1.7mm of height your are okay. Depending on where your adapters zif connector is located it could be difficult to get the included ribbon cable to reliably reach, and since Microsoft uses a non standard receiver on the other end it might be hard to find one that is longer. Really the biggest limitation to that particular hardware solution, and the reason I decided against it when I was researching this mod, is that the cost of the adapter and a 32Gb CF card is higher than just buying the SSD drive by itself. (I want to say that you would have more possible failure points, since you would be going through two separate data connectors, but then I remembered so am I with Sandisk's proprietary memory controller. Now Sandisk's design is of course purpose built, and the build quality of your adapter might be a possible area of concern, but that is really hard to evaluate without actually inspecting the adapters construction first hand.)
One other possible issue is that Microsoft's integrated software may not support the adapter. I will have to search around to find where I read it, and it could possibly be faulty unsubstantiated information, but I think I heard that to implement the CF mod that is used on the earlier generation Ipods you have to run Rockbox, because the default software does not support the adapter; an option which is not supported on the Zune at this time. Again this could just be some bozo speculating, but I thought I would mention it as a possible hurdle that might get in your way.
One advantage for a CF solution would be that you would not have to worry about the write leveling issue. If you decide to try it out let me know how it goes. I would be interested in seeing if it is possible.
-Andrew N. Price
P.S. Shad, sure cousin! I would be happy to mod that for you. Just give it to me at the next family reunion ;).
wouldn't you also be able to use a CompactFlash card instead of a SSD drive?
http://www.bestofferbuy.com/Compact-Flash-CF-Flash-Memory-Card-to-25-IDE-PATA-Hard-Drive-Adapter-Card-p-15941.html?currency=USD&utm_source=gbase&utm_medium=cse&utm_campaign=gbase
like that and then pick up a 32GB card on eBay.
Well done sir. Well done.
Thank you for sharing your efforts and experience with your Zune modification. I found this to be a good enough read to try and do this myself. (My 30gb Zune recently died in the same manner your H300 died...)
130 bucks for a 32gb flash Zune? YES PLEASE.
As an aside, since we have the same last name, can I just assume we are related and get you to do the mod for me?! You know, family and all... :)
Shad Price
One of the moderators on hackaday pointed out that you can get a 30Gb Zune for less than my 32Gb modded version as well, but I personally don't find that to be a worthwhile deal. You are getting older hardware (even if it is technically new), a bulkier form factor, it has a mechanical drive, a lot less battery life, and you lose the ability to output HD video. Now you do gain use of a graphic equalizer, it will accept 8mm drives, and it does have pretty much the same feature set, but from my perspective the trade-offs, especially the battery life, net a downgrade in overall functionality. Really it jut depends on what you are looking to achieve though, and so the judgment of perceived value is, in the end, going to be up to the individual buyer and their particular values.
http://www.techforless.com/cgi-bin/tech4less/JS8-00001?mv_pc=amazon_cpc&tts=20091010182400
:)
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